medium incomes are lower than they were five years ago, the uncertainty of obama care, the horrific tax code, less opportunity for people to rise up. >> rick, he is criticizing something that happened under his watch. >> yeah, here's the problem that i have. first of all, and john will love hearing me say this. i'm not sure that government is a big answer. >> we are all happy to hear you say that. >> i knew you would be. but here's the problem. most people analyze this in terms of do you think obama's policies produce growth, anti-growth. growth is actually not t issue because it only matters if it's shared. if a company that's making $14 billion in profits this year makes $20 billion next year, what's the difference if they don't share the benefit? >> but john, it is kind of the issue because sometimes a rising tide lifts all boats to quote john f. kennedy, rick's favorite president. if you look at what happened under the reagan term, the lower 20% and the top 20% increased by double digits after those tax rate cuts. >> i'm one of those people who believes that income and equality is u